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What do you know/think about business central?

  • 1.  What do you know/think about business central?

    Posted 07-11-2018 11:43 AM
    Hello NAVUGers! The H2 issue of BCUG/NAVUG Magazine is well underway to being chock-full of valuable and educational nuggets for Dynamics Users and Partners. The magazine will publish right before Summit Phoenix, as well as be onsite at the event in October.

    Each issue highlights an OnTopic question we pose to our members to get a pulse on all the different perspectives this great community has to offer. If you're interested in the chance of being featured, please post your answer below...

    What do you know/think about Business Central?

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    Bethany Foyt
    Marketing & Communications Manager
    Dynamic Communities
    Lisbon ND
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  • 2.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-11-2018 12:02 PM
    I dread having to teach my users a new front end. They are navigating just fine on the current RTC. We are using 2015 objects and 2018 executables. We are working with our partner to come up with a plan to upgrade to full 2018 with extensions. By the time we are ready to upgrade again, we will probably be past the initial release of on premise Business Central. However, I am sure we will get there someday. We will probably stay with an on premise installation due to cost (we have 55 licenses).

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    Gregory Alford
    ERP Manager
    Tri Star Metals LLC
    Carol Stream IL
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  • 3.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-11-2018 03:05 PM
    I have not jumped into it to any great extent but as I see more and more former client based applications ( Not Apps , applications) get moved into Web based forms I keep getting the feeling that providers are abandoning the thought of usability and productivity at the end user lever I have found the more they are moved to web applications the more keystrokes are needed and the more cursor movements are need to accomplish the same tasks.  Great for hand and wrist surgeons..... not so good for users.


    An excellent example of this is ADP ---- what used to be a secure and usable program is now insecure and unwieldy.

    Outlook to Office 365 is an another example.

    Google Apps as an entity is awful.



    IMHO

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    Michael Carr
    VP , Finance
    Philadelphia Scientific LLC
    Montgomeryville PA
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  • 4.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 08:10 AM
    I agree to some extent with Michael.  I've had a chance to play with D365 Business Central, and it takes more clicks to perform the same functions.  The User Interface is not all that different from RTC/Perpetual interface.  The two main differences I've noticed are 1) the main menu moving across the top of the screen (minor change) and 2) the action ribbon is now a series of drop down menus (as if you had collapsed the ribbon in NAV).

    Personally I always leave the ribbon open as it reduces the number of clicks to perform an action.  To create a new quote for a Customer in NAV is a 1 click action from the Customer list.  In Business Central, I have to use a series of drop down menus which increases the number of clicks.

    As with moving from Classic to RTC, it just takes time to get used to certain changes.  I don't think it is a step forward or step back, more of a side ways move which will hopefully continue to improve now that they have the cloud structure in place.

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    Ben Baxter
    Consultant
    Accent Software, Inc.
    Carmel IN
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  • 5.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    GOLD CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 08:25 AM
    ​I also think they need to focus on making the new web interface not only looking nice, but also easy and efficient to use.
    The comment I always get is the lack of menus, like the old Departments menu.

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    Samuel Champoux
    IT Director
    Drummondville QC Canada
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  • 6.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 09:40 AM
    @Samuel Champoux I have found the lack of Department Menu to be a challenge in the Windows Client for NAV also. I typically ​teach NAV users upgrading from the Classic client to use the department menu while transitioning to the RTC. It gives them a level of comfort to see a similar structure to what they used in the past. Eventually, they move away from dependency on this menu, but it does provide a value long term.

    For new NAV installs or users, I teach using the Department Menu to find "like" reports and other related selections. For example, I teach users to Search using a report name they are familiar with, then click on the menu path to the right (gray) to get to the place where this and other related reports or master data reside in the Department Menu. The Department Menu helps users find what they need when they don't know what it is named or what to enter into Search.

    Hard to describe, but I hope this gets my point across.

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    Cynthia Priebe, MCTS, DCP
    Senior Business Analyst and Project Manager
    Liberty Grove Software
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  • 7.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    Posted 07-23-2018 02:31 PM
    In terms of the number of clicks, as long as there is a way to create new actions (like you can today with the classic Object Designer) and be able to add them to any page you want, then I think the number of clicks can remain the same. I'm hoping that this is relatively easy to do with extensions and code snippets.

    I'm personally looking forward to having access to all of our modifications, since we don't have any sort of developer license.

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    John Sauber
    Sauber Mfg. Co.
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  • 8.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    Posted 16 days ago
    I personally don't see how a power user is going to get satisfied with a single window interface. The BC app in the Windows Store is the same thing as the web app, minus the web browser interface.

    The web app is good: it's snappy and it does more than you'd expect it could. In reality, however, it's not good enough to supplant the Windows Client. I hope they figure that out. I would guess there are A LOT of NAV shops that are not going to accept that interface.

    Whatever happened to dogfood?

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    John Sauber
    Sauber Mfg. Co.
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  • 9.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 10:29 AM
    Edited by Franz Kalchmair 07-22-2018 08:31 AM
    in our company we started to test d365bc. what we found was:

    * chart of accounts: missing field "balance to date"
    * missing flowfilter fields like "limit totals to"
    * no chance to view all columns in lists
    * no easy way to view in a page unavailable table fields. needs customization using an extension, development in an azure sandbox, publish that thing. too complex for that easy issue
    * many missing standard reports
    * no upgrade path from dynamics nav
    * missing rapid start services, instead there is a very simple data migr. wizard only for import
    * missing database backup & restore: very funny, if data were destroyed or mistakenly changed, e.g. sales prices.
    * no shortcut keys, everthing has to be done using the mouse
    * and many more missing things

    we then stopped testing.
    at this point of time d365bc is not sellable for us. usability leaves much to be desired.
    licenses are too expensive especially for that small set of features.

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    Franz Kalchmair
    Microsoft MVP
    Senior Consultant
    Austria, Europe
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  • 10.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    Posted 07-16-2018 12:48 PM
    Can anyone tell me the functional differences between Dynamics 365 for Sales vs Business Central?  i.e. with D365 for sales I can send emails to customer lists using mail chimp. Does BC allow the same?  Also,  what functionality does it have that D365 does not and vice versa?  Looking to make an informed decision and any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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    Greg Jakubczak
    Mirus Bio LLC
    Madison WI
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  • 11.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 01:26 PM
    ​D365 for Sales, I believe, is a CRM system (formerly Dynamics CRM).  D365 Business Central is the new branding for Dynamics NAV, a fully integrated ERP system (Financials, Sales, Purchasing, Whse & Inventory, Manufacturing, Planning, Jobs, Resources, HR, etc.)

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    Lewis Rosenberg
    IT Manager
    Mars Fishcare
    Chalfont PA



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  • 12.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-16-2018 08:24 PM
    We did a code compare with NAV 2018 and D365BC and there are zero functional delta's. And by "functional", I mean business functional. There are some technical delta's and for sure, the "platform" is quite different, especially with the web client being the only client.

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    Jon Long
    Director of ArcherPoint-Upgrades
    ArcherPoint Inc.
    GA
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  • 13.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-17-2018 10:37 AM
    Hi Bethany, I've been spearheading my company's BC efforts since February.

    It's very similar to NAV, but it's lacking a few features. For example, in BC, under Companies, you have user experience, which determines which functionalities are show in the interface -- this is due to licensing.

    If you opt for the more expensive Premium license, for warehousing and service management, you have 3 options to choose from. If you have an Essentials license, you only have 2. The Basic experience simplifies the interface even more.

    It integrates fairly simply with D365 for Sales (CRM), but it has a lot of quirks, and sometimes stuff breaks in the background and you have to contact Microsoft to fix it, which they tend to do fairly quick.

    A lot of reports are missing, for instance the Inventory to G/L Reconcile, which is there, but non-working. I opened up a ticket with MS last week about that, as well as putting back some of the missing reports.

    You can still modify BC, but it's not as easy as NAV. All mods are done as extensions, which are still written in C/AL, but they now call it AL, and you use Visual Studio Code to develop them -- which works pretty well. It's a bit of a learning curve, and so far, Microsoft's documentation has been OK.

    There are always challenges due to the lack of accessibility to the Object Designer, and no Debugger, so instead, I end up opening cases with Microsoft, when needed. They tend to respond same day, generally, but sometimes I have to escalate it. Their techs have been very competent so far, no complaints, but sometimes their triage is a bit off, and so I always name the product in the subject of my ticket (whether its D365 for Sales or BC, etc.)

    I have several clients running on it, and they're pretty happy. I think it's a great entry point into the NAV world. And when they decide they need mods done, they can always make the move to on-premise, or full NAV on Azure.

    Hope that helps :)

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    Val Gameiro
    Advanced Business Systems, LLC
    Implementer/Project Manager
    Austin, Texas
    former NAVUG Austin Chapter Leader
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  • 14.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-28-2018 01:48 PM
    addition: a couple of the missing features will be added in the October release. well done.

    details: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/business-applications-release-notes/October18/dynamics365-business-central/

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    Franz Kalchmair
    Microsoft MVP
    Senior Consultant
    Austria, Europe
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  • 15.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    SILVER CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-30-2018 07:47 AM
    The licensing doesn't make this look like a very good option moving forward. The math just doesn't add up for the SMB market, and it's even less attractive to the enterprise customer.

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    Mathew Ealy
    Nav Support Specialist
    Rentokil N. America
    Reading PA
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  • 16.  RE: What do you know/think about business central?

    TOP CONTRIBUTOR
    Posted 07-31-2018 12:45 PM
    I've been working with BC since Feb this year, and I've completed several implementations. It's about 90% or more of the on-prem functionality, and I imagine MS will push harder to move people off on-prem to the cloud. I doubt they'll stop supporting on-prem, but the push for new adoption will focus on BC in the MS cloud. I think later this year they're rebranding NAV on-prem as BC, and the interface will look similar (very minimalistic).

    Although there's a new approach to mods, you can pretty much to everything within the constraints of a web client.

    It's pretty quick to set up a BC client. We have a 2-day (16-hour) package we offer, which is enough for a vanilla install. That's great for the QuickBooks crowd seeking to upgrade to a more robust system, which they can then scale up as needed.

    I don't know the math on licensing, but from a functionality perspective, I see no reason not to go with BC. Especially for smaller companies that do not have/want their own IT department, or have stringent security requirements (e.g. regulatory requirements).

    The prior version (Finance and Operations) had a lot of limitations, but those are mostly gone, and the produce is quite usable/customizable. You just have to do everything using extensions, which is much better for clients in terms of upgrades, etc.

    You can kiss upgrade projects goodbye, so long as your third party add-ons are available as extensions.

    Definitely see a strong future for BC.

    Let me know if you have any specific questions :)

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    Val Gameiro
    Advanced Business Systems, LLC
    Implementer/Project Manager
    Austin, Texas
    former NAVUG Austin Chapter Leader
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