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Cloud vs. OnPrem

  • 1.  Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-13-2018 05:43 PM
    We currently host NAV2016 and all of our other applications (with the exception of Outlook) from our on premise servers.  We are looking at building out our IT path forward and are curious what others are looking at as far as infrastructure.  The question is really one of three options:
    1. "We are already in the cloud with all our apps."  How is this working for you?
    2. "We are making plans to move from onprem to the cloud."  What are your over-riding reasons for doing so?
    3. "We are staying with our onprem solution."  What are the reasons for staying?
    Which option do you fall under and why?  This information would help others looking at the same question.

    Dave Wiser
    Beckwith & Kuffel
    Seattle WA

  • 2.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-13-2018 06:01 PM

    depends on your needs, what kind of apps you use.
    can all apps be executed on the cloud infrastructure, are there old tools, which can't?
    are there external devices devices which need physical connection to a computer?
    when switching to cloud are process changes needed, wanted, accepted?
    what are the costs in each scenario?
    is now the time for a decision by choice, maybe in the... not so far .. future a must?


    Franz Kalchmair
    Microsoft MVP
    Senior Consultant
    Vienna, Austria, Europe

  • 3.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-14-2018 06:30 PM

    We are entirely on the cloud.  Small start up – contract IT work.  Works well – as long as we have smart and efficient contractors.  O365, NAV, Dymanics 365 CRM. 


    Gina Cameron

    Director, Business Services

    Green Dot Labs


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  • 4.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-14-2018 10:29 AM
    Having just pulled our system from a hosted environment, I will answer with one word "control". We were nickeled and dimed to death by the hosting environment. They also would prevent us from doing things the way we wanted them done. Some of that was to protect them due to security concerns. We will eventually build a private cloud where we have just our equipment in a provider's rack. That will give us stable and redundant power, cooling, and internet, but will allow us full control on how we configure and use our equipment.

    Gregory Alford
    ERP Manager
    Tri Star Metals LLC
    Carol Stream IL

  • 5.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-16-2018 09:16 AM
    We have recently begun testing running NAV 2013R2 on Azure and have had great success.  It gives us the same control as a private cloud or on-premises configuration without the need to manage IT hardware.

    In our case we have a IPSEC VPN connection to Azure so our users have no idea the test server is running in Azure.  We have Azure replicating this virtual machine to MS's West Coast Datacenter which provides a Recovery Point Objective of around 1 minute.  Backups taken via Azure are also stored on a geo-redundant Azure storage account. This is much better than we could provide on-premises with VM based replication to a collocation.

    I have to warn there is noticeable performance degradation compared to on-premises but that is expected when dealing with higher latency and slower WAN links.  It is not unusable but the population of customer lists or sales order lists takes an extra second or two.  Overall the RPO advantages and not needing to manage Servers, Storage, Power and Networking have showed us that the cloud is a clear path for us for the future.


    Rich MacDonald

    Richard MacDonald
    Assistant I.T. Director
    NewAge Industries, Inc.
    Southampton PA

  • 6.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-16-2018 11:44 AM
    Edited by Ian Ray 03-16-2018 12:27 PM
    I'll go ahead and suggest that "cloud" is way too broad.

    Thus far, I have encountered 3 distinct modes of "cloud" for NAV (I suppose 3.5)

    1. D365F/D365FOB/"Business Central." 
    2. Managed cloud hosting
    3. Self-managed Azure (or Amazon, or X/Y/Z)
    The 3.5 would be hosting on Azure and using Azure SQL instead of a SQL server. This is a slightly different scenario with different implications. For one thing, Azure SQL has access to all the latest bells and whistles, e.g. Flow SQL connector triggers work with Azure SQL.

    Most people I have spoken with only have experience with managed cloud hosting. As I wrote in another thread, the policies of the managed hosting environment can impact how long it takes to do certain things such as implement a new .fob object or increase CPU, etc.

    Ian Ray
    Cypress Grove
    Arcata CA

  • 7.  RE: Cloud vs. OnPrem

    Posted 03-16-2018 03:23 PM
    You could do Hybrid. As for control of the hosted environment, this would depend who that provider is.

    Kristoffer Ruyeras
    Director of Business Technology
    Seattle, WA